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of america decided to take the money. then they had to go to an equity law firm. this is encouraging to me. i would think this actual bailout is one that says, we are now past, the pig is much further along. you don't want a python swallowing a pig, but it's going to follow it when it is finished. >> words to live by, jim. words to live by. >> i think about that often, actually. >> we just listened to an incredible hour of television on "squawk box" with zell talking about what he's seen in the economy, talking more about corporate i.t. upgrade cycles. here's what zell said not too long ago. >> nobody wants to make commitment to be on tomorrow. we run a company that does a lot of corporate enterprising installations. and one of their triggers is when the enterprise projects start getting delayed, we are heading for a recession. and that's exactly what you're looking at right now. >> when the enterprise project starts getting delayed, we are heading for a recession. that collides with the calls we are seeing regarding cisco right now. jim, channel checks going on? >> cisco, morgan stanley put
law enforcement agencies. they claim, at least, that huawei may be in violation of certain laws. we'll see. again there is a great deal of conjecture in today's report but you you need to sort of connect the dots to really get to the final conclusion that says, hey, these guys are really bad guys. that being said, it's a huge issue between the united states and china. not that we don't have many of them. we also talked to chairman rogers about that as well this morning. they are, as we all know, one of the largest holders of our debt. they are one of our largest trading partners. but this is an issue that many feel need to be elevated to that same level of importance when we talk to chinese leaders. >> david, thank you so much. bob, down to you. >>> there are several big american tech companies who are watching this showdown very closely with china. tech correspondent jon fortt in silicon valley looking at which companies stand to win and lose in all this. >> bob, the biggest, most obvious winner here is cisco because that's huawei's arch enemy in the networking space. cisco has acc
violated some laws. how important is this, dave? >> it's important. chairman rogers was an important component of the piece we did early this month that was on chinese cyber espionage. it focused on huawei. a company discovered the chinese were in their system, nortel. they went out of business. some claim it's because of huawei. chairman rogers is trying to raise the alarm on this. i can only tell you from firsthand experience, so many ceos of fortunate 500 companies who would not come on the program that we did a number of months ago because they fear for their business in china have admitted to me face to face that their firewalls had been breached by the chinese, that they'd been informed of that by the fbi. and so by doing this, chairman rogers simply is able to raise a larger awareness of it. as for the huawei allegation, we'll see. we haven't seen the report yet and the specifics. >> the reason why the issue has been treated with -- this has been going on over the course of a decade at least. it's not just in technology. it's in other areas of business where intellectual prope
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